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I know that many people out there are MMO junkies. They tend to join one, play until they are burned out, then find a new one. So I'm wondering what everyone's roots are.
My 1st MMO was UO. It was like crack and I couldn't get enough of it. After about 1 1/2 years of playing every day for at least 4-6 hours a day I burned out on it. It was a long while before I took up another MMO, but I did get hooked on City of Heroes (actually I'm still playing it now after a few months break). I've also tried but disliked Lineage2. The game itself was great, but the people that are playing it really just make me not enjoy the game at all.
So what have been your expierences out there?
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| 09/28/05 21:50 |
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While I haven't really been addicted to a real MMO yet I started out with Diablo. Diablo2 is when it really started for me. I used to play that game almost more than I worked in a week. I finally got burned out on that one after a few years. And now there is Guild Wars. 4 hours a night and more on the weekend. That is what I do in my free time.
My biggest deterrant from playing a real MMO (not that GW isn't, but if you read any reviews of the game you will know what I mean) is that I feel I should only have to pay once for a game.
It is better that way for me too. I can only imagine what I would be like if I was addicted to more than one of these at a time. Hopefully, by the time I get burned out on GW a new free to play MMO will be out. :-)
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| 10/19/05 12:33 |
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I have just recently started playing GW (w/i the last week actually) and I can see how people can get totally hooked on it. Now this is the 1st MMO I have played that did not have a monthly fee, so I haven't been spoiled by it. It was just a really, really nice suprise that I don't have a fee to pay for a really great game.
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| 10/30/05 22:49 |
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WoW. But the children who can't speak english even though it's their native language are getting annoying, along with the honor farmers, gankers, people like that. I have a small ability to deal with idiots who can't formulate an opinion on their own, let alone back it up. The gameplay is also a bit too tiresome.
Dofus. Like Runescape, with fewer people who are idiots, and more people who can form ideas and say why they say things. It's wonderful. Again, a bit simplistic but it's freeware, so I can deal with it.
I play MUD's too, but that's a bit different.
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| 04/24/06 21:31 |
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| QUOTE | WoW. But the children who can't speak english even though it's their native language are getting annoying, along with the honor farmers, gankers, people like that. I have a small ability to deal with idiots who can't formulate an opinion on their own, let alone back it up. The gameplay is also a bit too tiresome.
Dofus. Like Runescape, with fewer people who are idiots, and more people who can form ideas and say why they say things. It's wonderful. Again, a bit simplistic but it's freeware, so I can deal with it.
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I've heard a lot of good and bad things about WoW, and someday I'll give it a try. But you don't make it sound to fun.
I think you have the imature people in all the MMOs, it is just a matter of finding one that has a lot of the cool people you click with so you don't have to deal w/ the bad ones. But there are some MMOs that the community is better than others. City of Heroes still has the best people (in my opinion) playing that I've seen in any MMO. I'm always hopeful that the next game I try will be like that.
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| 04/25/06 13:00 |
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I played a bit of CoV on one of their 14 day trials and it seems to be the same way. I didn't really meet anyone that wasn't helpful or acted childish.
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| 04/25/06 14:19 |
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That's one of the reasons I play Dofus. Immediately after logging on and doing the tutorial someone asked if I needed any help. It was great, I got an introduction to the game and was well on my way.
And WoW is a fun game for a lot of people. For me, it's not wonderful because of all the grinding. Honor farming, PVPing, all of the tailoring and fishing. It gets repetitive. The combat system is ... okay. It works, and you fight. But there's just a hint of simplicity behind it.
That, and fifteen dollars a month is a bit excessive, don't you think?
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| QUOTE | | That, and fifteen dollars a month is a bit excessive, don't you think? |
I agree that $15 a month is a bit much, but I'm payin it to play Lineage 2. I guess too much is only as much as people aren't willing to pay. I sure hope somone (a developer) steps up and lowers the price for their's soon. Maybe then the rest of them will follow suit.
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| 04/26/06 06:56 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | That, and fifteen dollars a month is a bit excessive, don't you think? |
I agree that $15 a month is a bit much, but I'm payin it to play Lineage 2. I guess too much is only as much as people aren't willing to pay. I sure hope somone (a developer) steps up and lowers the price for their's soon. Maybe then the rest of them will follow suit. |
It seems to me that they will only be raising the price rather than lowering it. I remember back in the good ole days UO was only $9.99 a month. When I first saw that CoH was $15 I was a bit taken back, but now it seems like it is just the norm.
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| 04/26/06 10:22 |
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Yes, they are getting a bit out of hand. Much like the ebb and flow of gas which should be back down to 1.75 a gallon, but that's for the gasoline community website.
I wish they would realize what they're doing to my wallet and fix it.
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| 04/27/06 06:09 |
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| QUOTE | Yes, they are getting a bit out of hand. Much like the ebb and flow of gas which should be back down to 1.75 a gallon, but that's for the gasoline community website.
I wish they would realize what they're doing to my wallet and fix it. |
Yeah, only they don't look at your wallet, only their own and it's gettin pretty fat, I imagine...
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| 04/27/06 08:01 |
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I've tried a bit of everything. AC2, L2, WoW, GW, even DDO.
The ones I've stayed with for any period of time though were GW and L2. Even after I quit L2 (on NCsoft servers) I moved over to L2X (a private and free version of the game).
WoW... It just wasn't my style.
EQ2... Wasn't bad, but I found single player games (like TES series) to be more addictive.
AC2... Enjoyed it, but didn't go beyond that.
DDO... Meh.
L2... Let's me indulge in playing elven characters.
GW... Love, most of the time at any rate.
I suppose the biggest issue for me is that I'm a casual gamer. Juggling gaming, work, and a social life was near impossible in games that required any form of continuous grind to get anywhere. Furthermore I consider it an aweful waste of money to be spending on game cards if (ala WoW) you play less in any given 2 month period (which is all we can buy here in Australia, 2 months ~$60-80, price seems to fluctuate from time to time).
Am I cheap? No. I just don't have time to play 24-7 and can't justfy paying huge amounts of cash to indulge in what is basically no more than a hobby. For the right game, I would certainly reconsider. Spellborn might just be that game.
Having said that, any word on fee structure yet?
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| 07/17/06 10:11 |
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| QUOTE | | Having said that, any word on fee structure yet? |
From the official FAQ, "We have not made final decisions about the cost to play. "
So no word yet.
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| 07/17/06 14:49 |
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Honestly I really hope they go for the "time-card" option as opposed to "pay-by-the-month".
Nonetheless, whether I'm willing to pay will have more to do with how quickly (and how long) I get addicted to the game.
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| 07/17/06 21:11 |
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I don't know about everyone else, but having a free trial is pretty much key to getting me hooked on a game. 99.9% of the time, it doesn't matter how much I want to play an MMO, I'm not about to drop $50 or even maybe $30 on it until I've tried it first. The only one I did actually purchase without playing first was Lineage 2, but I was able to pick up a copy for $10, so it was no great loss if I didn't like it.
So, if I could suggest one thing to the devs, offer a free trial right from the get go.
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| 07/18/06 07:04 |
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| QUOTE | Honestly I really hope they go for the "time-card" option as opposed to "pay-by-the-month".
Nonetheless, whether I'm willing to pay will have more to do with how quickly (and how long) I get addicted to the game. |
I'm hoping they go with both. It always seems like a good business practice to allow those that don't have credit cards to be able to play a game. And those with credit cards usually like being able to just sign up once and not worry about it.
| QUOTE | | So, if I could suggest one thing to the devs, offer a free trial right from the get go. |
Normally free trials don't come out until the intrest in the game starts to slacken a bit. I do think they are nice. And I love when games include a few trials when you purchase the game, nothing better than being able to get your friends hooked!
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| 07/18/06 11:57 |
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See that's why they need them from the get go. I'm not gonna go out and spend $50 plus another $15 for the first month on the hot new MMO just because it looks cool. What happens if I don't like it and I think it's crap? I've just purchased myself a $65 coaster (the disc) with some hand fire starter (the packaging). I don't know about everyone else, but $65 isn't all that easy to come by in my house so I'm not about to risk wasting it.
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| 07/18/06 13:26 |
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The first month is usually free, but I get your point. Unfortunately I am a sucker for new games, and ditch out the $50. You don't get free trials on stand alone games either. But you will be on top of my list to give the 14 days free trial that came with the coaster :)
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| 07/18/06 15:13 |
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| QUOTE | | You don't get free trials on stand alone games either. But you will be on top of my list to give the 14 days free trial that came with the coaster :) |
You're right, but I know, having worked for EB Games, their policy is that you can return a game to swap for a different one if you didn't like it (within reason of course). At least that was the policy in my store. The only exception was MMO's. There are no returns when you buy MMO's because it's impossible to tell if the key has been used.
Wow, thanks Phedre! That would be awesome. :)
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| 07/19/06 07:28 |
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You're right, but I know, having worked for EB Games, their policy is that you can return a game to swap for a different one if you didn't like it (within reason of course). At least that was the policy in my store. The only exception was MMO's. There are no returns when you buy MMO's because it's impossible to tell if the key has been used.
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What and odd policy. Can they resell a game that has been used already? And wouldn't the reason you are returning the MMO is b/c you didn't like it, so wouldn't that mean it certainly has been used. How odd!
But you are right $65 is a lot of money to spend on a game you don't know if you will like. I guess that's why there are sites like Gameamp out there. I think you can get a pretty good idea about a game from our site. And if it is a game that has launched already, you can always ask a million questions about the game before you buy it.
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| 07/19/06 10:27 |
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| QUOTE | | What and odd policy. Can they resell a game that has been used already? And wouldn't the reason you are returning the MMO is b/c you didn't like it, so wouldn't that mean it certainly has been used. How odd! |
Yeah, they resell them, but only if the disk and everything is in brand new condition. If someone brought it back and had a bit of whatever on the disk, or something was up with the packaging, too bad so sad. But never with MMO's. Any kind of online games are final sales, they don't take returns on them.
It's not something that advertised either, but if someone asked about it then we'd help them out. Obviously to avoid people abusing it, we didn't let them use it very often.
Sales is a shifty business. Can't say that I enjoyed it very much.
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| 07/19/06 12:21 |
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I've played a lot of different things ...
I got started with MuD's and even 1/2 way created my own, but back to MMO's ...
Started with EQ (4.5 yrs Bertox), EQ2 (meh was not impressed), DDO (waste of my time), Anarchy Online (2.5 yrs), WoW (1 year), AC2 (1 year ... good ... but), Ryzom (1 year), Shadowbane (shudder), EvE, DAoC (current), CoV/CoH (current) and whole crap loads of freebie ones.
Price obviously isn't much of an object for me. I'm a junkie and like any junkie I'll pay for the fix. I typically play 2-3 MMO's at a time logging roughly 40-60 hours a week playtime including weekends.
To keep me an MMO has to have solid solo play for most if not all classes, a fairly decent PvP methodology, a good back story and a fair to middling user base. Farmers and the like don't bother me much as in every MMO I've ever played they exist its almost like they come with the box.
Free MMO's are okay but usually aren't as well developed as the pay-for off the shelf ones. There are some exceptions to that of course but relatively few and far in-between.
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| 08/04/06 12:55 |
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Hello lotOfGames, welcome to GameAmp and our Spellborn forums!
Yep, you are very true to your name. That is an impressive list! And there I was thinking I've played a lot of different games. I am impressed you managed to play Ryzom for a full year. I played it for two months and already had the feeling I was killing the same mobs over and over. But it is/was a beatiful game.
Now I am waiting for Spellborn to be released. Fortunately the wait won't be too long anymore. And I have gameamp, my toughest addiction, to pass the time (plus COH/COV).
Anyway, great you have signed up, and hopefully we will see more of you.
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| 08/04/06 16:08 |
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Oh I'll be here :) lol - I think I played Ryzom more for the unique system than the original content. How many variants of Yubo are there anyway ...
Personally I'd love to see an MMO with a archetype system with enough skills you can't select more than 30% of them. And a Ryzom'ish (altho implemented better) build your own attack / spell system. Me and my dreams.
Thats what is attracting me to TCoS it looks like its going to be fairly unique, and I really dig unique.
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| 08/08/06 06:40 |
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Welcome to the site, lotsOfGames!
And how do you keep all that game info in your mind??? I can only play 2 MMOs at one time (other wise my games become a bit mixed in my head), and never different ones in the same day (I'm a real mess when that happens).
And glad to see you have some addictions to hold you over while waiting.
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| 08/12/06 13:28 |
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I like MMO's so I guess I pay attention more, lol I am ADD by nature and trade so I bounce amongst many things. In the process of bouncing odd stuff sticks - like lewt speak which i abhor and inane trivia from various MMO's ... now if I could only do that and make money off of it :)
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| 08/17/06 08:19 |
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| QUOTE | | ... now if I could only do that and make money off of it :) |
I'm with ya there. Over the last year and a half I've played Guild Wars, Lineage 2, City of Heroes and Villains, World of Warcraft, RF Online, DDO, War Rock, as well as beta testing two others. I'm hoping I can find one that holds my interest the way Diablo 2 did. Guild Wars was the slosest so far, then they released Factions...
Hopefullly Spellborn will do it for me, or if not, at least keep me suitably occupied till Vanguard comes out.
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| 08/17/06 09:10 |
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The newest one I'm messing with is Deicide atm, meh ... so far, but maybe once I play for a little I can see if it warrants sufficient attention. Vanguard and Chronicles of the Spellborn are going to be very different classes of games imho.
VSoH is going to be more like the "Old School" ever-crack complete with corpse runs, as well as incorporating a reflex based hand-eye coordination response system around a traditional MMO Grind model.
TCoS is so far - showing itseld almost diametrically opposed to that model. While a minute amount of exp (or so the forums and articles I can find state) can be earned that way ... most exp will be obtained questing, around a self built series of actions when you do have to fight. The interesting thing will be to see if the rich history and storyline in TCoS can support that model.
I'm also highly intrested to see in both games how the solo content is ... I like grouping but dislike being forced to it (DDO here's looking at YOU!) ...
anyway, boss coming :)
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| 08/17/06 09:33 |
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Friends Don't Let Friends Play Solo.
You could play Oblivion. Some modder made that into an MMO. It was pretty cool, actually.
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| 08/17/06 11:15 |
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| QUOTE | | Friends Don't Let Friends Play Solo. |
:) I like to group but there are days ... when I am anti-social due to work or my own peculiarities or can't get online when my friends are on or simply can't get a group. Solo content is extremely important to me personally as much so as backstory and customization.
My personal MMO Pet Peeve List;
1. No Solo Content.
2. All Characters look like clones.
3. Crappy Backstory.
The rest including frequent server crashes I can live with if I have those 3 ... I like to chat while solo'ing until I can get a group versus just standing around being useless and chattimng while waiting for a group. MMO's imho can be social in more ways than by forced grouping. Some examples would be user base housing, social clothing, events, chat channels and so forth ...
I don't want to play a an MMO where I can solo everything in the world but neither do i want to participate in one that reminds me of a police state requiring that I always be grouped in order to be effective.
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